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	<title>Comments on: Alexander Magruder — how strong is the case for his parentage?</title>
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		<title>By: Nat Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Amberleigh.  Yes, I know something of the &#039;fighting&#039; that goes on to get various immigrants -- especially ones with highfalutin names like &#039;Howard&#039; or &#039;Neville&#039;) recognized as having noble ancestry.  I also descend from Matthew Howard of Maryland, whose putative Tudor ancestry is expounded in a bad historical novel.

No, I haven&#039;t read Sue Emerson&#039;s book, which is:Sue Emerson and Don McGrouther, &lt;i&gt;Wha&#039;s Like Us? Magruders in America; MacGrouthers in Scotland before 1855&lt;/i&gt; (Kent, Washington [?], 2007). Hopefully I will get a chance to.  From what I see about it on line, she successfully refutes the old idea that the Magruders are McGregors (this was already disproved by Kurz &amp; Magruder, but they soft-pedaled it because of the implications for the &#039;American Clan Gregor Society&#039;).  What&#039;s less well done by Kurz &amp; Magruder is to build the circumstantial case connecting Alexander Magruder of Maryland to Alexander Magruder of Craignech and Inchiffray, and more explicitly to Margaret Campbell. I look forward to seeing Sue&#039;s book.

Brice Clagett, who died just within the last few months, had prepared a massive book documenting all his ancestry for 20 generations, including seven or eight generations behind Alexander Magruder.  I have seen this in manuscript and it&#039;s well done.  Unfortunately no one in the genealogical community knows whether any plans were put in place for posthumous publication of Brice&#039;s painstaking work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Amberleigh.  Yes, I know something of the &#8216;fighting&#8217; that goes on to get various immigrants &#8212; especially ones with highfalutin names like &#8216;Howard&#8217; or &#8216;Neville&#8217;) recognized as having noble ancestry.  I also descend from Matthew Howard of Maryland, whose putative Tudor ancestry is expounded in a bad historical novel.</p>
<p>No, I haven&#8217;t read Sue Emerson&#8217;s book, which is:Sue Emerson and Don McGrouther, <i>Wha&#8217;s Like Us? Magruders in America; MacGrouthers in Scotland before 1855</i> (Kent, Washington [?], 2007). Hopefully I will get a chance to.  From what I see about it on line, she successfully refutes the old idea that the Magruders are McGregors (this was already disproved by Kurz &#038; Magruder, but they soft-pedaled it because of the implications for the &#8216;American Clan Gregor Society&#8217;).  What&#8217;s less well done by Kurz &#038; Magruder is to build the circumstantial case connecting Alexander Magruder of Maryland to Alexander Magruder of Craignech and Inchiffray, and more explicitly to Margaret Campbell. I look forward to seeing Sue&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>Brice Clagett, who died just within the last few months, had prepared a massive book documenting all his ancestry for 20 generations, including seven or eight generations behind Alexander Magruder.  I have seen this in manuscript and it&#8217;s well done.  Unfortunately no one in the genealogical community knows whether any plans were put in place for posthumous publication of Brice&#8217;s painstaking work.</p>
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		<title>By: amberleigh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I am a distant cousin. I am related through a daughter of Joseph Magruder (wife Catherine Fleming) a son of Samuel Magruder (1708-1786) and Margaret Jackson. My line went south into Tennessee. 

Anyways, I have about given up on the Magruders because no one seems to agree on anything! I like the idea that Alexander was a Magruder and a Drummond, not a MacGregor (that just makes more sense historically), but now the dispute on who Alexander Magruder&#039;s parents were really gives me a headache. That was the only line I thought I had 100% back to the old country. (I also have Nevilles, Bacons, Warrens, Liddalls, and Howards so you can imagine the fighting that goes on in those lines to get them back to royalty) 

Honestly, I don&#039;t care if I am royal or not. I just want it correct. (I&#039;d prefer to be merchant class and bourgeois, Chaucer is more interesting than the Black Prince in my opinion) Who do you think is the best authority concerning the Magruders and when will all of this finally be put to rest? Have you read Sue Emerson&#039;s book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I am a distant cousin. I am related through a daughter of Joseph Magruder (wife Catherine Fleming) a son of Samuel Magruder (1708-1786) and Margaret Jackson. My line went south into Tennessee. </p>
<p>Anyways, I have about given up on the Magruders because no one seems to agree on anything! I like the idea that Alexander was a Magruder and a Drummond, not a MacGregor (that just makes more sense historically), but now the dispute on who Alexander Magruder&#8217;s parents were really gives me a headache. That was the only line I thought I had 100% back to the old country. (I also have Nevilles, Bacons, Warrens, Liddalls, and Howards so you can imagine the fighting that goes on in those lines to get them back to royalty) </p>
<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t care if I am royal or not. I just want it correct. (I&#8217;d prefer to be merchant class and bourgeois, Chaucer is more interesting than the Black Prince in my opinion) Who do you think is the best authority concerning the Magruders and when will all of this finally be put to rest? Have you read Sue Emerson&#8217;s book?</p>
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